Talk:Deirdre McCloskey

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Added birth name[edit]

I added her birth name, Donald McCloskey, first of all because it was missing, and every biographical Wikipedia page I have ever seen where the person has changed their name has had their birth name included; and secondly, because the overwhelming majority of her most important academic works were published under her original birth name. If anyone thinks I did anything wrong, please discuss it here before simply deleting it. Thank you. Bzzzing (talk) 17:44, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Since my original edit, there have been one or two back and forth edits removing and adding her birth name from the page. I think we should discuss it here instead of this pointless editing and re-editing. I stand by my original argument: every biographical Wikipedia page where the person has changed their name has had their birth name included; and secondly, because so much of her academic work... the work for which she is famous, and the entire REASON she has a Wikipedia page at all... was published under her original name... it needs to be included in a highly visible way. Thanks Bzzzing (talk) 14:45, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Per the MoS, In the case of transgender and non-binary people, birth names should be included in the lead sentence only when the person was notable under that name. The part about the early work that supposedly made McCloskey famous doesn't cite any independent RS coverage. Therefore I don't see much evidence for notability as "Donald". —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Let's see what the subject's own website says, transposing an article from the Chronicle of Higher Education: "Over 25 years, Donald McCloskey built a reputation as the conscience of his field, challenging the basic assumptions that economists made and pushing them to consider new ways of looking at economic problems. He received his bachelor's and doctoral degrees from Harvard University and spent 12 years teaching at the University of Chicago. He wrote close to 200 articles and 20 books, and his theories about the role that persuasion plays in human decisions about overreliance by economists on mathematical formulas have been widely taught." and "In the staid world of economics, the transformation of one of its well-known members has stunned the profession." This is in addition to probably hundreds of academic papers written before 1995 which discuss McCloskey's work. Furthermore, WP:SIGCOV ≠ famous; ffs. Cambial foliage❧ 11:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Bailey Incident[edit]

Given her signature in the Harper's Magazine open letter, her participation in (and arguably leadership of) the 2003 incident has become quite relevant to her life as a public intellectual. I am familiar with a lot of Deirdre's work, and I generally love it. I didn't know about this incident until a few days ago when a friend pointed me toward the Dreger oral history. I was astonished that Wikipedia covered it only as "vocal criticism" when she actually initiated official complaints with the state of Illinois and Bailey's institution, and by her own admission coached other women on what to say. Regardless of how I feel about her participation in either the 2003 deplatforming campaign or the 2020 open letter, I strongly believe this is a part of McCloskey's legacy as a public intellectual, and her signature on the 2020 letter opens the door to impeaching her activities in the 2003 campaign.

My first attempt at adding some of this information was reverted for being "judgemental [sic]." I agree after rereading. I resubmitted substantially reworked language that is in my opinion no longer judgmental and allows curious readers to make up their own minds and follow sources. I understand this is controversial, not least of which because the subjects of discussion are still alive, but going forward I'd prefer to get some feedback here to improve the content. Baryphonic (talk) 04:30, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the Bailey incident can be expanded and her signature on the Harper letter is worth mentioning, but this has to be written in a neutral way. Piece of advice: avoid using the term deplatforming and avoid making the claim that the letter the and the Bailey case contradict each other. Haparsi (talk) 15:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Personal attack removed) Birthname[edit]

No woman who has a legal female name should have her intro start with a male name even if she affirmed her feminine gender yesterday.

(Personal attack removed). Be decent. The bullying and establishment of a rule doesn't make this right.--2601:C4:C300:1BD0:708E:2510:279C:4124 (talk) 16:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You need to familiarise yourself with the MOS:GENDERID policy. McCloskey has been very open about their previous name for good reason: they were internationally well-known within the field by their previous name before their name changed. This is not "deadnaming". Cambial foliage❧ 16:20, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I relent because--on her own website--she deadnames herself!--2601:C4:C300:1BD0:708E:2510:279C:4124 (talk) 16:40, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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